Smites and Coldfires - Guild Wars Forums

Darth Marth · Aug 05, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40

What is the deal with them fighting each other, and even themselves? They're allied most of the time, but they kill each other and deny me drops randomly.

Malice Black · Aug 05, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

it has always like been like that..i think its prety funny when they have a scrap

Brianna · Aug 05, 2006, 09:27 PM // 21:27

they want eachothers ectos and ghostly staffs

Poison Ivy · Aug 05, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

^And storm bows

Btw, have you guys ever seen a Coldfire drop an Ecto before? I know I havn't.

Darth Marth · Aug 05, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

But what sets them off? And why do Coldfires always attack the SS Necro?

Malice Black · Aug 05, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

they go for the softer target

Boone · Aug 05, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

Coldfires don't drop ecto's, I read that somewhere. i think Gwiki

shadow39365 · Aug 06, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

Coldfires are notorious for having universally sh*t drops...so yes, no ecto, i also read that somewhere.

As for them fighting each other it's generally random, probably Anet's attempt to deny you of Ecto, like their attempt to stop UW farming with the oh so powerful Dying Nightmares. You can tell its a trick by Anet when you see the Smite Crawlers killing each other, watching that happen is painful, especially when it's 2 on 2 and practically a stalemate

Aggro Control has gone a bit iffy since the factions release, you don't always need to be in the aggro range of the enemy, if the monk doesn't tank right and semi body block the enemy at first they go right past him to the necro, the idea of the monk to tank is to do it as you would a warrior, go in there and hit the enemy with your melee weapon like your FFS axe, the enemy taking damage puts the aggro on to YOU, thats how its done, and have the necro come along a couple of seconds after you have them tanked, seeing as you won't be moving the aggro won't break (the tank moving breaks aggro completely).

Some enemies are aggroed without going near them, take Kanaxai at the end of the Deep, he starts running towards you before you enter his aggro range, i expect what sets off this fighting is your approach...

milias · Aug 06, 2006, 05:41 AM // 05:41

Personally, I think it's a bug, but yes, it's always been like that. When you're on a Smite run, that's the last thing you want to see, because as the above poster said, Coldfires don't drop anything good, whereas Smites occasionally drop ectos.

Darth Marth · Aug 10, 2006, 02:46 PM // 14:46

This is getting infuriating.

I have only one theory about what could set them off, and I wanted to check it before I send a bug report to ANet. Could the Smites somehow be unwittingly damaging Coldfires or other Smite groups with Zealot's Fire somehow? The only reason this doesn't make sense is because they're allies, and I doubt Zealot's Fire would affect other allies...

Deacon Roswell · Aug 10, 2006, 03:09 PM // 15:09

When you see a group fighting, just go kill them. Have the necro put SS on them and watch them all kill each other. You get drops if you participate in the killing! That's what my partner and I do.
As for why they fight...who knows? Maybe one said something bad about the other ones sister. Just because they're all smites, doesn't mean they are allies. I've seen grawl fight each other at Kings Watch. It happens all over.

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Originally Posted by Darth Marth

...And why do Coldfires always attack the SS Necro?

When do they ever attack the SS Necro other than when he's the only one alive or standing right next to them spamming skills? I do smite runs every night and hardly ever get attacked. Knowing that I will rarely be attacked gives me the ability to use 2 superior runes and have less than 400 health and not have to worry. Maybe your SS aggros before the monk or stands way too close?

Hand of Ruin · Aug 10, 2006, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by Darth Marth

This is getting infuriating.

I have only one theory about what could set them off, and I wanted to check it before I send a bug report to ANet. Could the Smites somehow be unwittingly damaging Coldfires or other Smite groups with Zealot's Fire somehow? The only reason this doesn't make sense is because they're allies, and I doubt Zealot's Fire would affect other allies...

I don't think that's how it works. Only NPC's of the same spawn location/species are allies. All other NPC's in the area are simply "friendly" (much like tame-able animals. They CAN be the target of attacks and spells, but are not naturally aggresive towards you."

If you aggro several different Mobs, they will all Target YOU, because you are the one who set off their aggro. However, if a mob uses AoE spells, and you manage to break all the aggros while those AoE spells are in effect, they may effect a "friendly" mob, and in turn set off the aggro for that friendly mob, and then a war breaks out.

Darth Marth · Aug 11, 2006, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by Hand of Ruin

I don't think that's how it works. Only NPC's of the same spawn location/species are allies. All other NPC's in the area are simply "friendly" (much like tame-able animals. They CAN be the target of attacks and spells, but are not naturally aggresive towards you."

If you aggro several different Mobs, they will all Target YOU, because you are the one who set off their aggro. However, if a mob uses AoE spells, and you manage to break all the aggros while those AoE spells are in effect, they may effect a "friendly" mob, and in turn set off the aggro for that friendly mob, and then a war breaks out.

So that means my theory could be true?

And I'm not talking about mobs attacking each other while I fight them; they just start randomly fighting before I even get a chance to reach them.

And Deacon, you're very lucky if you haven't seen the Coldfires specifically go for the Necro. Other monsters only attack the Necro if they haven't reached me yet, and it happens much less often, but Coldfires will break aggro from me even after having attacked me for a while if the Necro aggros them. Both of these problems don't make any sense; unless the Necro has less AL, shouldn't the enemies always atatck me if I aggro them first?

EagleEye33 · Aug 11, 2006, 03:02 AM // 03:02

ive seen coldfire drop blackdye before, probably the best drop ive seen from them. Though since thats probably not gonna happen a lot, most people skip them now

VGJustice · Aug 11, 2006, 05:31 AM // 05:31

The BEST thing I've ever seen a Coldfire drop was a key. Once. Black Dye would be an excelent drop too, but you could get that from an Ascalon Devourer at the same probability.

Coldfires are crap for drops. Just skip 'em.

And to be honest, Smites arn't even good for Ectos anymore. I've only ever seen a Smite drop an ecto ONCE. I've gotten all of my ectos from the Blades. And I do mean ALL of my ectos.

darkMishkin · Aug 11, 2006, 10:55 AM // 10:55

I always get irritated that monsters don't fight eachother more often. Why are all the Scarabs, Hydras, Devourers, Horsemonsters in the desert such good buddies when they surely must compete for food. Come to think of it, there is no way a sustainable ecosystem there. And just how do those Mesmer Squids fly?

Yakumo · Aug 11, 2006, 11:48 AM // 11:48

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Originally Posted by Darth Marth

And Deacon, you're very lucky if you haven't seen the Coldfires specifically go for the Necro. Other monsters only attack the Necro if they haven't reached me yet, and it happens much less often, but Coldfires will break aggro from me even after having attacked me for a while if the Necro aggros them. Both of these problems don't make any sense; unless the Necro has less AL, shouldn't the enemies always atatck me if I aggro them first?

Doing UW runs as a SS Necro, I've attracted unwanted attention from Coldfires. I'm not 100% sure why, but I have a feeling that it might be to do with a spell being used such as Desecrate Enchantments.

If I dropped SS and Suffering, all is well. But if I use Desecrate Enchantments on the Coldfires, more often than not it will draw their attention to me. It's just something I've noticed, but I've not tested it out properly to see if it is the case.

Perhaps check with your Necro to see if DE is being used on the Coldfires, if so, don't do that for awhile and see if the Coldfires stay on you.

makosi · Aug 11, 2006, 12:15 PM // 12:15

There is one mob of Smites that are hostile to everything and therefore upon noticing any other creature, they will attack. They are outnumbered so the chances of them clearing out the Ice Wastes are virtually nil and the Coldfires' Maelstrom owns them.

Mr Crapsicle · Aug 11, 2006, 12:48 PM // 12:48

An ecto from a smite just once ? Nutty. Lately, I see one from a smite probably every other time in. Certainly not as reliable as the Ataaxes, no, but consistent to be sure.

I do like to mix it up when visitng UW. Sometimes 3 or 2 man trapping, sometimes 2 man monking.

And yup, there is one group of smites on "hyper patrol" that will latch on to the first live thing they encounter.

shadow39365 · Aug 11, 2006, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Deacon Roswell

Maybe one said something bad about the other ones sister.

yes, like Mr Materazzi the Smite trash talked about Mr Zidane the Coldifre's mum and then Zidane headbutted him... who knows

Aug 05, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40	#1
Darth Marth Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Midwest Guild: Order of Celestial Guardians II [OCG] Profession: Me/Mo	Smites and Coldfires What is the deal with them fighting each other, and even themselves? They're allied most of the time, but they kill each other and deny me drops randomly.

Aug 05, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06	#2
Malice Black Site Legend Join Date: Oct 2005	it has always like been like that..i think its prety funny when they have a scrap

Aug 05, 2006, 09:27 PM // 21:27	#3
Brianna Insane & Inhumane Join Date: Feb 2006	they want eachothers ectos and ghostly staffs

Aug 05, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32	#4
Poison Ivy Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Toronto Guild: Hopping Profession: Mo/A	^And storm bows Btw, have you guys ever seen a Coldfire drop an Ecto before? I know I havn't.

Aug 05, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43	#5
Darth Marth Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Midwest Guild: Order of Celestial Guardians II [OCG] Profession: Me/Mo	But what sets them off? And why do Coldfires always attack the SS Necro?

Aug 05, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48	#6
Malice Black Site Legend Join Date: Oct 2005	they go for the softer target

Aug 05, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56	#7
Boone Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: Mo/E	Coldfires don't drop ecto's, I read that somewhere. i think Gwiki

Aug 06, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14	#8
shadow39365 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Guild: Angels Symphonys [AnSy]	Coldfires are notorious for having universally sh*t drops...so yes, no ecto, i also read that somewhere. As for them fighting each other it's generally random, probably Anet's attempt to deny you of Ecto, like their attempt to stop UW farming with the oh so powerful Dying Nightmares. You can tell its a trick by Anet when you see the Smite Crawlers killing each other, watching that happen is painful, especially when it's 2 on 2 and practically a stalemate Aggro Control has gone a bit iffy since the factions release, you don't always need to be in the aggro range of the enemy, if the monk doesn't tank right and semi body block the enemy at first they go right past him to the necro, the idea of the monk to tank is to do it as you would a warrior, go in there and hit the enemy with your melee weapon like your FFS axe, the enemy taking damage puts the aggro on to YOU, thats how its done, and have the necro come along a couple of seconds after you have them tanked, seeing as you won't be moving the aggro won't break (the tank moving breaks aggro completely). Some enemies are aggroed without going near them, take Kanaxai at the end of the Deep, he starts running towards you before you enter his aggro range, i expect what sets off this fighting is your approach...

Aug 06, 2006, 05:41 AM // 05:41	#9
milias Grotto Attendant Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Defected back to America Profession: Me/E	Personally, I think it's a bug, but yes, it's always been like that. When you're on a Smite run, that's the last thing you want to see, because as the above poster said, Coldfires don't drop anything good, whereas Smites occasionally drop ectos.

Aug 10, 2006, 02:46 PM // 14:46	#10
Darth Marth Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Midwest Guild: Order of Celestial Guardians II [OCG] Profession: Me/Mo	This is getting infuriating. I have only one theory about what could set them off, and I wanted to check it before I send a bug report to ANet. Could the Smites somehow be unwittingly damaging Coldfires or other Smite groups with Zealot's Fire somehow? The only reason this doesn't make sense is because they're allies, and I doubt Zealot's Fire would affect other allies...

Aug 11, 2006, 03:02 AM // 03:02	#14
EagleEye33 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In a House...duh Guild: Untouchable Heroes Profession: R/E	ive seen coldfire drop blackdye before, probably the best drop ive seen from them. Though since thats probably not gonna happen a lot, most people skip them now

Aug 11, 2006, 05:31 AM // 05:31	#15
VGJustice Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tyria, cappin' ur bosses Guild: Boston Guild [BG] Profession: R/W	The BEST thing I've ever seen a Coldfire drop was a key. Once. Black Dye would be an excelent drop too, but you could get that from an Ascalon Devourer at the same probability. Coldfires are crap for drops. Just skip 'em. And to be honest, Smites arn't even good for Ectos anymore. I've only ever seen a Smite drop an ecto ONCE. I've gotten all of my ectos from the Blades. And I do mean ALL of my ectos.

Aug 11, 2006, 10:55 AM // 10:55	#16
darkMishkin Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: Mo/	I always get irritated that monsters don't fight eachother more often. Why are all the Scarabs, Hydras, Devourers, Horsemonsters in the desert such good buddies when they surely must compete for food. Come to think of it, there is no way a sustainable ecosystem there. And just how do those Mesmer Squids fly?

Aug 11, 2006, 12:15 PM // 12:15	#18
makosi Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: "Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff. Guild: Requirement Begins With R [notQ] Profession: Me/	There is one mob of Smites that are hostile to everything and therefore upon noticing any other creature, they will attack. They are outnumbered so the chances of them clearing out the Ice Wastes are virtually nil and the Coldfires' Maelstrom owns them.

Aug 11, 2006, 12:48 PM // 12:48	#19
Mr Crapsicle Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Consortium of Evil Monkeys (CeM)	An ecto from a smite just once ? Nutty. Lately, I see one from a smite probably every other time in. Certainly not as reliable as the Ataaxes, no, but consistent to be sure. I do like to mix it up when visitng UW. Sometimes 3 or 2 man trapping, sometimes 2 man monking. And yup, there is one group of smites on "hyper patrol" that will latch on to the first live thing they encounter.